Lets multiply 98 by 76. Under prevalent system, you will do something like this:

First, 98 * 6 = 588.
Second, 98 * 70 = 6860 (Actually, 98 * 7 = 686, then just put 0 at the end)
Finally, 588 + 6860 = 7448
In case of vedic mathematics, you would go something like this:

I have deliberately kept this simple, because, teaching vedic maths is not the scope of this article. It is enough, if you get the idea. If, however, you want to understand it in detail, just google for it.
As you must have figured out by this time, that the so called “vedic mathematics” does not comprise any separate branch of mathematics or herald some new form of mathematics. It is nothing but some clever tricks to solve elementary arithmetic and algebra and is similar to the speed mathematics, popularised by Trachtenberg and many other such authors.
The whole mumbo-jumbo of vedic mathematics is a result of a book called, ‘Vedic Mathematics’ written by Jagadguru Swami Shri Bharati Krishna Tirthaji Maharaja, and published posthumously in 1965. Swamiji was the Sankaracharya of Govardhan Math of Puri, India, and curiously, it appears that prior to pursuing a life of a sage, he had acquired a masters degree in mathematics.
In the book, Swamiji claims to have “rediscovered” or “reconstructed”, the mathematical laws, which were hidden in cryptic hymns (slokas) of the vedic scriptures, and reveals to us these laws in form of mathematical aphorisms (sutras). Strangely though, he neglects to mention the specific slokas, from where he “rediscovered” the laws. He thought it would be enough if he mentioned that all of these are from vedas, and accordingly mentions in the passing that the appendix (parishishta) of the Atharva Veda contained all these sutras. His book contains a total of 16 sutras and 13 corollaries (The above example is from the third sutra called Ūrdhva Tiryagbhyām, which translates into, “Vertically and Cross-wise”)
The problem is, Atharva Veda just does not have any such parishishta. From where he got hold of that parishishta is anybody’s guess. Nowhere in any book of Vedas, and not even in the appendages, like the Sulbasutras, which were later added to the main texts, can these sutras be found. Dr. Kim Plofker, in the chapter Indian Mathematics, pg 387, from the book The Mathematics of Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, India, and Islam: A Sourcebook makes this point:
These sutras are often said to represent an ancient mathematical system ‘rediscovered’ or ‘redeveloped’ from the Vedic scriptures, but there is no record of them in traditional study of the Vedas.
A group of intellectuals from India, concerned by the self-destructive attempt to introduce “vedic mathematics” in the Indian primary school, jointly issued a pamphlet, where they made the same point:
As has been pointed out earlier on several occasions, the so-called ‘Vedic Mathematics’ is neither ‘Vedic’ nor can it be dignified by the name of mathematics…The book assembled a set of tricks in elementary arithmetic and algebra to be applied in performing computations with numbers and polynomials. As is pointed out even in the foreword to the book by the General Editor, Dr. A.S. Agarwala, the aphorisms in Sanskrit to be found in the book have nothing to do with the Vedas. Nor are these aphorisms to be found in the genuine Vedic literature.
The term “Vedic Mathematics” is therefore entirely misleading and factually incorrect. Further, it is clear from the notation used in the arithmetical tricks in the book that the methods used in this text have nothing to do with the arithmetical techniques of antiquity.
Many of the sutras, deal with decimals and calculus, which were unknown in India during the time, that is generally attributed to the composition of the Vedas. That the arithmetic, described in that book does not confirm to the vedic era, is noticed by many scholars. The following observations by Jan Hogendijk, in Nieuwe Wiskrant, (Vol 23), is relevant:
The word “Vedic” in the title of the book suggests that these calculations are authentic Vedic Mathematics. The question now arises how the Vedic mathematicians were able to write the recurrent decimal fraction of 1/19, while decimal fractions were unknown in India before the seventeenth century.
Prof. S.G.Dani, in his 1993, article Myths and Reality: On ‘Vedic Mathematics’, published in Frontline, India, also makes a similar observation:
The contents of the swamiji’s book have practically nothing in common with what is known of the mathematics from the Vedic period or even with the subsequent rich tradition of mathematics in India until the advent of the modern era; incidentally, the descriptions of mathematical principles or procedures in ancient mathematical texts are quite explicit and not in terms of cryptic sutras…While certain elements preliminary to calculus have been found in the works of Bhaskara II from the 12th century and later Indian mathematicians in the pre-calculus era in international mathematics, such crystallised notions as the derivative or the integral were not known.
It is also claimed that this vedic mathematics can be applied in all fields of science and will actually be far more effective and easier than conventional methods. Nothing can be further from the truth. The so called mental mathematics, is applicable only in some specific cases and cannot be applied without the same amount of labour, and in some cases much more, than what is required under conventional method. Prof. S.G.Dani, in the same article cited above,wonders aloud:
…why such methods are not commonly adopted for practical purposes. One main point is that they turn out to be quicker only for certain special classes of examples. For a general example the amount of effort involved (for instance, the count of the individual operations needed to be performed with digits, in arriving at the final answer) is about the same as required by the standard methods; in the swamiji’s book, this is often concealed by not writing some of the steps involved, viewing it as “mental arithmetic.” Using such methods of fast arithmetic involves the ability or practice to recognize various patterns which would simplify the calculations. Without that, one would actually spend more time, in first trying to recognize patterns and then working by rote anyway, since in most cases it is not easy to find useful patterns.
The main texts of Vedas are notorious for their ambiguity, partly because of the antiquity of sanskrit, in which it is written and partly because of complete lack of reference to detailed or precise measurements or quantification etc. In fact one can interpret a sloka in any way he/ she desires. There is also no archeological evidence that can be used as a counter reference. Many of the true vedic sutras are simple statements with no proof or method of derivation being given. For example, the famous sutra from Baudhayana Sulbasutra, goes like this (B. Datta, The science of the Sulba):
The rope which is stretched across the diagonal of a square produces an area double the size of the original square
This is now recognised as the earliest result of what we today call Pythagorus’s Theorem. (Budhiyana preceded Pythagorus by about 200 years). But strangely enough, the author of the sutra does not give any hint of how it was arrived at, nor does he point to any source that he may have referenced. This lays open a wide range of possibilities. Was it simply copied from the Greeks (as some argue) or was is the Indian branch of mathematics that split from a common source and created both the Indian and Greek systems (as other argue) or was it plain indigenous (as yet others argue) ?
This vagueness in the vedas, provides a fertile breeding ground for obscurantism, and its proponents would do just about anything to forward their agenda. Something that is a matter of scholarly debate will be dragged into the dirty arena of politics of communalism and blind nationalism. What is even more disgusting is that, the educated elite would indulge in such nonsense, giving undue credence to the whole filth.
It is unfortunate that in spite of the credible people, coming out in the open and pointing out the fraud perpetrated in the name of the Vedas, this vedic nonsense continues to live on in public fantasy.
Tags: Atharvaveda, India, mumbo-jumbo, Speed Mathematics, Sulbasutras, Vedic Maths, Woo










October 24, 2008 at 1:50 pm |
The works of prof. Seidenberg provide more insight into this politicized issue. Anti-traditionalists claim Vedas are man-made fables (the axiom of Indology) while pro-traditionalists claim Vedas contain much useful info. Let everyone judge for himself.
October 25, 2008 at 2:52 am |
This is a really interesting blog post,I have added your blog to my favourites I really like it,keep up the good work!
October 26, 2008 at 11:24 am |
The purpose of the Vedas from the human point of view is experessed by Vyasadev in the the first verse of the Vedanta Sutra: athato brahma jijnasa. This human life is for inquiring about the Supreme Brahman. Vyasadev spoke the Bhagavat Purana to answer this question. The Supreme Brahman is identified in verse 1.3.28 as follows: Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. Sri Krishna is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krishna famously spoke Bhagavad-gita, emphasizing to Arjuna, “man mana bhava mad bhakto…” “Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me, and offer homage to Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise this because you are My very dear friend.” Sankaracarya also taught the same thing, “bhaja govindam bhaja govindam bhaja govindam…”
How will criticizing the Vedas help you at the time of death?
In Isopanishad, Mantra 8, it is mentioned that the Personality of Godhead is the self-sufficient philosopher who has been fulfilling everyone’s desires since time immemorial. Consequently, for those who want to forget Him, Krishna gives that person the intelligence to forget Him. One who is envious of Krishna will naturally find fault with the Vedas, as Krishna presents things in such a way for him.
The purpose of the Vedas is not to provide “useful information,” althought he karma-kanda portions would seem like that. As Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita 2.46, “All purposes served by a small well can at once be served by a great reservoir of water. Similarly, all the purposes of the Vedas can be served to one who knows the purpose behind them.” Well, the purpose of the Vedas is the same as Sankaracarya advises, “Just worship Krishna.” The rest is just a distraction.
If you don’t want to worship Krishna, then you should not be surprised that He makes it appear to you that the Vedas are all nonsense. I’m sorry but you’ve missed the point. Hari bol.
October 28, 2008 at 10:32 am |
Pandu das wrote:
“How will criticizing the Vedas help you at the time of death?”
First, I am not criticizing the Vedas. Somehow I get the feeling that you have not read the above piece or if you have read it, may be you did not understand it.
Second, at the time of my death, other than doctors or medicines and my family, I would not need any help from the vedas. Thank you very much for your concern.
You further wrote:
“If you don’t want to worship Krishna, then you should not be surprised that He makes it appear to you that the Vedas are all nonsense.”
Ah, the faith.
October 28, 2008 at 3:19 pm |
Ah, the skepticism. Another chosen paradigm.
At the time of death doctors and medicines won’t help, others – based on one’s karma – will decide where to move next. Believe it or not.
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/dying.htm
October 28, 2008 at 11:24 pm |
Ah, the skepticism. Another chosen paradigm.
At the time of death doctors and medicines won’t help, others – based on one’s karma – will decide where to move next. Believe it or not.
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/dying.htm
October 29, 2008 at 10:31 am |
devadeva wrote:
“Believe it or not.”
NOT
October 29, 2008 at 2:48 pm |
Then you’ll have to wait until death and see for yourself. Tough luck.
October 31, 2008 at 12:06 pm |
it”s very confuzing
November 1, 2008 at 6:19 pm |
mehak, which part is confusing ?
November 10, 2008 at 4:46 pm |
Excellent post Twit. I was intrigued by ‘Vedic Mathematics’ but never quite looked it up in enough detail to understand what it really was.
January 25, 2009 at 8:43 am |
You guys have too little knowledge and too narrow mind.
I remember someone who once looked at my Tensor calculus book
and started making comments without having any clue of it. The title of your article sounds exactly like that.
I doubt how much education you have in Mathematics. However if you have any, then try to educate yourself from the following URLS:
Department of Mathematics, Brown University
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/History_Mathematics/lila/lilavati_stdtechs.html
College of Engineering & Mathematical Sciences, University of Vermont
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cooke/history/seconded/solutions/answer.pdf
January 25, 2009 at 8:52 am |
FYI: Let me also give you a glimpse of the Vedic Mathematics (which is not exactly the computational tricks those you mentioned).
The First Concept of the InfinityIn Veda:
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oḿ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaḿ
pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate
pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya
pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate
The above hymns of the Isha Upanishad of the Yajurveda (400 BC) states:
oḿ — the Complete Whole; pūrṇam — perfectly complete; adaḥ — that; pūrṇam — perfectly complete; idam — this phenomenal world; pūrṇāt — from the all-perfect; pūrṇam — complete unit; udacyate — is produced; pūrṇasya — of the Complete Whole; pūrṇam — completely, all; ādāya — having been taken away; pūrṇam — the complete ; eva — even; avaśiṣyate — is remaining.
The “Complete Whole”, that is said here must contain everything both within and beyond our experience, otherwise He cannot be complete. When the “Complete Whole” is taken away from the “Complete”, what remains is the “Complete Whole” itself.
The First Conception of the Binary Number System
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Pingala was an Ancient Indian musical theorist who authored the famous Chandas Shastra (chandaḥ-śāstra, also Chandas Sutra chandaḥ-sūtra), a Sanskrit treatise on prosody considered one of the Vedanga. He developed advanced mathematical concepts for describing the patterns of prosody in the 400 BC.
The shastra is divided into eight chapters. It was edited by Weber (1863). It is at the transition between Vedic meter and the classical meter of the Sanskrit epics. The 10th century mathematician Halayudha commented and expanded it. Pingala presents the first known description of a binary numeral system. He described the binary numeral system in connection with the listing of Vedic meters with short and long syllables. His discussion of the combinatorics of meter, corresponds to the binomial theorem. Halayudha’ s commentary includes a presentation of the Pascal’s triangle (called meru-prastaara). Pingala’s work also contains the basic ideas of Fibonacci number (called maatraameru ).
Use of zero is sometimes mistakenly ascribed to Pingala due to his discussion of binary numbers, usually represented using 0 and 1 in modern discussion, while Pingala used short and long syllables. Four short syllables (binary “0000″) in Pingala’s system, however, represented the number one, not zero. Positional use of zero dates from later centuries and would have been known to Halayudha but not to Pingala.
[Further Reading:
1. B. van Nooten und G. Holland, Rig Veda, a metrically restored text, Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts and London, England, 1994
2. H. Oldenberg, Prolegomena on Metre and Textual History of the Ṛgveda, Berlin 1888. Tr. V.G. Paranjpe and M.A. Mehendale, Motilal Banarsidass 2005 ISBN 81-208-0986-6]
Roots of Modern Trigonometry
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Though its authorship is unknown, the Surya Siddhanta (c. 400) contains the roots of modern trigonometry. This ancient text uses the following as trigonometric functions for the first time:
* Sine (Jya).
* Cosine (Kojya).
* Inverse sine (Otkram jya).
Cosmological Time-cycles
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* The average length of the sidereal year as 365.2563627 days, which is only 1.4 seconds longer than the modern value of 365.2563627 days.
* The average length of the tropical year as 365.2421756 days, which is only 2 seconds shorter than the modern value of 365.2421988 days.
[Refer: Vedic Evidence of the Sidereal Year - by Glen R. Smith]
Some of othe Vedic works are:
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* All four arithmetical operators (addition, subtraction, multiplication and division).
* A definite system for denoting any number up to 1055 and existence of zero.
* Prime numbers.
* Arithmetical sequences, the decreasing sequence 99, 88, … , 11 is found in the Atharva-Veda.
* Pythagoras’s theorem, geometric, constructional, algebraic and computational aspects known. A rule found in the Satapatha Brahmana gives a rule, which implies knowledge of the Pythagorean theorem, and similar implications are found in the Taittiriya Samhita.
* Fractions, found in one (or more) of the Samhitas.
* Equations, 972x(2) = 972 + m for example, found in one of the Samhitas. [Note: x(2) = Sqare of x]
# Examples of the rule of three (and profit and loss and interest).
# Solution of linear equations with as many as five unknowns.
# The solution of the quadratic equation (development of remarkable quality).
# Arithmetic (and geometric) progressions.
# Compound Series (some evidence that work begun by Jainas continued).
# Quadratic indeterminate equations (origin of type ax/c = y).
# Simultaneous equations.
# Fractions and other advances in notation including use of zero and negative sign.
We can keep going….
January 25, 2009 at 9:00 am |
On the other side – You’ll hardly ever hear such a modest concept of creation of the universe what you get in The Rig Veda (3000-2000 BC):
[Translation]
At that time there was neither
existence nor non-existence,
neither the worlds nor the sky.
There was nothing that was beyond.
There was no death, nor immortality.
There was no knowledge of the day and night.
That one alone breathed, without air, by itself.
Besides that there was nothing.
Darkness there was enveloped by darkness.
All this was one water, without any distinction.
It was inactive, covered by void.
That one became active by the power of its own thought.
There came upon it at first desire,
which was the first seed of the mind.
Men of vision found in their meditative state,
the connection between the Being and the Non-Being.
All gods were subsequent to this creative activity.
Then who knows from where this came into existence!
Where this creation came from ,
whether He supported it or not,
He who is controlling it from the highest of the heavens,
He perhaps knows it or He knows it not ! (Rig Veda X.129)
[For more explanation click here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaGleromH4Y&feature=related
]
January 25, 2009 at 9:00 pm |
Roy,
Let me first thank you for stopping by and trying to make a case for vedic mathematics. But, it seems, you have only read the title of my post and for some reason drew your conclusion without going into the links that I have provided. Also, you don’t seem to have read the book “Vedic Mathematics”, which started all this. It would help if you actually read the book.
Let me also remind you, that, Swamiji, had himself mentioned in the preface of the book, that these sutras were derived from the hymns of Atharva-Veda. Hence, your charitable quote mining, from all over the vedic texts, and some non-vedic texts, although impressive, is still pretty futile.
March 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
Dear Twit,
Good post !
It pays to write about something very important and better if one do not understand anything about, to gain cheap publicity….. I thank all modern day developers of Microprocessors and FPGA / DSP systems for not reading shit posts like this…. good that they are busy developing (or re-inventing) systems based on 8X8 and 16X16 multipliers (vedic origin).
Keep it up ! nice attempt to get more hits for the blog…. very cheap thinking though.
March 9, 2009 at 11:18 am |
Dear critiq,
It helps one to be a better critique, if one actually reads what one is being critical of.
And I am pretty sure, that “modern day developers of Microprocessors and FPGA / DSP systems” are not looking into vedas for their understanding of classical physics.
Also, since wordpress.com does not allow ads, number of hits does not really matter.
April 23, 2009 at 2:02 am |
Dear Twit,
Agree with you 100%. Thanks!
May 21, 2009 at 8:10 am |
Have gone through Veda. I am sure you must not have read. You are jealous of the book and the tricks provided there. Try to understand then write something in the blog.
May 28, 2009 at 12:36 am |
Namastey my dear Friend,
I liked your post. And I assume you have read through the book “Vedic Maathematics” and THE VEDAS. And I thank you for taking interest in these marvelous treasures.
But I would suggest you go through these books once again, because i think you havent understood a bit of it. And by the way if writng something even 0.1% close to any of the VEDA seems to be so easy, then why don’t you try writing one.
With regards
June 5, 2009 at 10:16 am |
Manoranjan & Amit,
Thank you for stopping by and speaking your minds out.
The purpose of this write-up was not to criticise any vedic text but to merely lay bare, one typical mental gymnastic, that certain people love to indulge in.
I am not surprised that you have missed the point. Shooting the messenger is the best way to refute the message.
September 15, 2009 at 4:13 pm |
THIS IS AMAZING! May be not many of us know that the root cause of discoveries has always been the radical notions. BOYS AND GIRLS there are far more important aspects of life than arguing about what came first the hen or the egg. VEDIC OR NOT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I know one thing for very sure that as a scientist I need a reason and my reasoning is that there is only one thing that keep you going till the very end and that my friend is FAITH. I have not read any of the vedas neither I have any collections of books to indulge myself in the fight of “Vedic Mathematics or Vedic Nonsense ?”. The reason being just above the title of the post I saw a link to “21st Dec, 2012 : The day before forever” WELL Mr. Twit is that really so important that with only few years remaining for our most precious time on earth we argue about maths originating from veds or not or we should just acknowledge the beauty of the brain who could come up with these wounder full ideas.
September 15, 2009 at 4:25 pm |
Dear Mr critiq I really liked the way you said “And I am pretty sure, that “modern day developers of Microprocessors and FPGA / DSP systems” are not looking into vedas for their understanding of classical physics.”
As a matter of fact me and my fellow Ph.D. students completed a design of faster DSP processor entirely based on vedic maths. I dont care whether one likes to call it vedic or not. All I care is that “To achieve something we dont need to do different things we just need to do things differently”
September 15, 2009 at 4:33 pm |
I don’t know how many of you know that that The American president Mr Obama was facing real difficulty in organizing the people from his own part for the Health care Bill. While he was delivering his speech a member of opposition shouted on him and said “You are a liar.” This incidence proved to be a turning point for Mr. Obama as the members of his party forgot their difference and united they stood along side Mr Obama.
Well Mr. Twit you did a fantastic job that when you wrote the words “Vedic Nonsense”, you helped many good people to come together and make all the sense out of vedas and educating people who are facing the problem of understanding the fact that vedas are not only for old people with time to kill but it for the young one to o if they want to excel in maths. Good work.
September 18, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
Quest_for_earnest_bliss,
First you claim that you “have not read any of the vedas” and then in the very next post you claim “me and my fellow Ph.D. students completed a design of faster DSP processor entirely based on vedic maths“. Can you please elaborate, how it is possible to ‘base’ a design on ‘vedic maths’, without first going through the vedas.
Anyway, if you and your ‘fellow Ph.D students’ have indeed completed a design for ‘faster DSP processor entirely based on vedic maths’, then you can rest assured that I am St. Paul.
You have said that, “as a scientist I need a reason and my reasoning is that there is only one thing that keep you going till the very end and that my friend is FAITH“. By saying so, you have successfully blurred the line between scientific procedure and obscurantism and ensconced yourself within the realms of the latter.
November 3, 2009 at 7:40 pm |
hai, I’am lalith sai.I’am studying class7th.I’am intrested in vedic maths so can you send teach me by mailing me please.
thank you